Persona 4
Last updated 2024-01-19: Forgot to add Ishiro Honda: A Life in Film from Godzilla to Kurosawa.
Overview
This video has been something that was planned since 2022. A lot of it is an extension of a general gap I’ve noticed in Game Studies, which takes a look at the overall meaning-making process of games through a single-player dimension.
Generally, most games analyses presupposed the single player because it’s easier to explain and easier to unfold. The problem with multiplayer analysis is that you have a whole slew of factors, including where people are, what they do before and after loading up the game, how they get involved in a whole set of communal practices.
The problem - or more accurately, the challenge - of a multiplayer procedural focus is not that it cannot be done; games can be analysed specifically on their multiplayer interactions. The problem, however, is that it seems like games tailor built to specific interactions tend to be favoured. Games outside of that purview tend to have more focus on their players.
This isn’t to say there isn’t analysis of games as multiplayer on a procedural level. Shayan Lallani’s Virtual Empire, regardless of whether you think the argument is compelling or not (I’ve had students definitely push back on me on that!), is nevertheless an attempt to engage with an MMORPG more directly on its structural and systemic conditions rather than its social ones. So it’s possible, but it’s rare.
Part of this is because of what John Sharp defines as two overarching typologies of games. Sharp notes that games tend to fall into two categories: artgames, where the system directly attempts to make an argument, and simulations, where a game reflects a pre-existing phenomena. The challenge with multiplayer is that they tend to be the latter: a multiplayer game reflects something like close combat engagement, a SWAT shootout, a bank heist, a game of tennis, etc. Thus, the simulated substrate of the game actively defines the status of the game’s behaviours.
I focused on Persona 4 and Persona 4 Arena specifically because the latter straddles that strange line between simulation and game-with-a-message. The game very much spends a lot of time - and carefully, mind you - to craft a specific sort of interaction zone. It is, in short, a fighting game, and fighting games simulate a specific kind of combat zone interaction (for more information, see Todd Harper’s The Culture of Digital Fighting Games). But what makes Arena is that it tries to use that combat zone to express specific things that are somewhat in line with its single-player brethren. It tries to, in a lot of ways, negotiate between being artgame and simulation.
This is why I wrote the script and made the video the way it is: it’s easier, clearer, and faster to make a video about Persona 4 on its own, that it’s about television and televisual watching specifically through a procedural lens, but it inevitably falls back into the same preferential treatment single-player games have. And if I want to make a video about a piece of media, I want to talk about that piece of media along my terms, what I think is interesting or challenging, and the way in which we think about arguments of procedure are definitely a lot more interesting than talking about television alone.
Media and Sources
The core text has been Thomas Lamarre’s 2018 The Anime Ecology, but there’s been a lot of other works that form the general work as well. Sources are:
Azusa Azusa et al. “The ‘Mystery’ of Young Girls in Flower.” Mechademia: Second Arc 2021 pp. 77–77. https://doi.org/10.5749/mech.14.1.0077.
Bogost Ian. Persuasive Games : The Expressive Power of Videogames. MIT Press 2010.
Bogost Ian. Unit Operations : An Approach to Videogame Criticism. MIT Press 2006.
Caillois Roger and Meyer Barash. Man Play and Games. University of Illinois Press 2001.
EIJI OTSUKA and Marc Steinberg. “World and Variation: The Reproduction and Consumption of Narrative.” Mechademia 2010 pp. 99–116.
Hall Stuart. Culture Media Language : Working Papers in Cultural Studies 1972-79. Routledge ; in Association with the Centre for Contemporary Cultural Studies University of Birmingham 20061980.
Hamamura Hirokazu et al. Persona 4 : Official Design Works : P4. Udon Entertainment Corp 2012.
Hayashi M. Kirie. P4a : Persona 4 Arena : Official Design Works = Perusona Fo Ji Arutimetto in Mayonaka Arina Koushiki Settei Shiryoushuu. English ed. Udon Entertainment Corp 2013.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100213164640/http://www.warpcore.org/~sirian/diablo2/protest-2a.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20100224063705/http://www.warpcore.org/~sirian/diablo2/protest-1.html
https://h-shibayama.hatenablog.com/entry/20191115/1573818831
https://www.4gamer.net/games/139/G013961/20120310002/
https://www.4gamer.net/games/127/G012709/20110401020/https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm
https://www.polygon.com/22547064/guilty-gear-strive-fighting-game-story-mode-campaign-impressions-review
Huizinga Johan. Homo Ludens : A Study of the Play-Element in Culture. Martino Publishing 2014.
Hutchinson Rachael. Japanese Culture through Videogames. First edition First ed. Routledge/Taylor & Francis Group 2019.
Kocurek C. “Uncertainty in Games. Greg Costikyan. Cambridge Ma: The Mit Press 2013. 152 Pp. $19.95 Cloth.” Journal of Popular Culture 2014 pp. 220–222.
Lam Celia et al. Fame and Fandom : Functioning on and Offline. University of Iowa Press 2022.
McLuhan Marshall and W. Terrence Gordon. Understanding Media : The Extensions of Man. Critical ed. Gingko Press 2003.
Napier Susan J. “When the Machines Stop: Fantasy Reality and Terminal Identity in ‘Neon Genesis Evangelion’ and ‘Serial Experiments Lain.’” Science Fiction Studies 2002 pp. 418–435.
Posadas Baryon Tensor. Double Visions Double Fictions : The Doppelgänger in Japanese Film and Literature. University of Minnesota Press 2018.
Robertson Jennifer. “Furusato Japan: The Culture and Politics of Nostalgia.” International Journal of Politics Culture and Society 1988 pp. 494–518.
Ryfle Steve et al. Ishiro Honda : A Life in Film from Godzilla to Kurosawa. Wesleyan University Press 2017.
Seaton Philip A et al. Contents Tourism in Japan : Pilgrimages to "Sacred Sites" of Popular Culture. Cambria Press 2017.
Seki Reiko. “Deprivation of Furusato: The Damage Faced by Evacuees After the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant Accident.” Japanese Journal of Sociology 2023 pp. 45–55. https://doi.org/10.1111/ijjs.12150.
Simondon Gilbert et al. On the Mode of Existence of Technical Objects. First ed. Univocal Publishing 2017.
Steinberg Marc and Alexander Zahlten. Media Theory in Japan. Duke University Press 2017.
Steinberg Marc. Anime's Media Mix : Franchising Toys and Characters in Japan. University of Minnesota Press 2012.
Anderson Stewart and Melissa Chakars. Modernization Nation-Building and Television History. Routledge 2015.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fmq0B2HhpATanaka Motoko. Apocalypse in Contemporary Japanese Science Fiction. First ed. Palgrave Macmillan 2014.
Taylor T. L. Raising the Stakes : E-Sports and the Professionalization of Computer Gaming. MIT Press 2012.
Williams Raymond. Keywords : A Vocabulary of Culture and Society. New edition New ed. Oxford University Press 2015.
宇野常寬 宇野常寬 and 宇野常寬 1978-. ゼロ年代の想像力. 早川書房 2011.
Further Material:
In the process of editing, I came across Paul Ocone’s work on Furusato, and I realised that he and I have relatively similar perspectives (at least similar enough to mention), so if you want someone who specialized more on that subject, I would recommend taking a look at his work here:
I kinda stole the Overcooked 2 example because it was so good from Game Matters. They have a lot more detail on it, so if you’re interested in seeing the nuts and bolts of it you can see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLCaTO8sWZE
Todd Harper, though I didn’t cite him directly, did effectively write one of the earlier fighting game material in a Game Studies sense. I never cited him because I didn’t end up using his work, but I think his framework ultimately plays a role in informing a lot of the stuff I use as a crux:
For a video on Persona 4 Arena, Larrue has a much more straightforward, explanatory video on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56KNAHgFVFw
Seichijunrei Material:
eggtoast:
YouTube Footage:
Persona 3 Longplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPBQBKUWiOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tMAF8OI-Y
Persona 4 Golden:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtX30QU57UhlnG0igEu0Ls24M0iEVFPjl
McPwned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAefGu7EIOk
TommyLoveHD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZuOjf5xV08
OctopusCrab:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emQpd2oiraw
LadyVirgilia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7CDnzEfvwQ
ThoughtBubble:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx7To20JfLw
Hiding in Private:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN8F3ci0FD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrXzkzY961w
KingK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOjw9KNKgLU
Nam's Compendium:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CujlchNaHNc
U.S. TV Media Archive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLPzRLI6gCc
Coca-Cola Commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7w0i5zfXmI
Pierre Trudeau War Measures Broadcast - October 16th, 1970:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbdsn_sp0Vw
Failed TV Pilot Meet the O'Briens (1954):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orwqr2fW1yo
The Price is Right - May 31, 1957:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feO7HeAbbH0
1979 Sony Betamax Commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2v_qEVTh10
Maxell Commercial High Performance and Long Lasting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_a6rSXCURM
Pong - Video Game Console TV Game Commercial 1976:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCqIkgFKHr4
1978 Panasonic VHS VCR Commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJys1m0KZbM
-SEGA- Commercials 1991-1993:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIBmBy9APaU
The 1st Kennedy Nixon Presidential Debate - Part 3/4 (1960):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn9B28yYyIE
The 1st Kennedy Nixon Presidential Debate - Part 4/4 (1960):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWdn2b9SCj8
Pokemon Panic:
https://archive.org/details/pokemon-shock
How to Win Monopoly Every Time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu6GMpQfyUU
The Evacuation | Ultra Graphics Gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V2ef6V34HE
How to Max Happiness in Pokemon Sword and Shield:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA0yE5Laet0
The (procedural) rhetoric of games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLCaTO8sWZE
Always Keep Fighting Candle Salute SDCC 2015:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sb7WGw0Beo
Why are So Many People Obsessed with Harry Styles and are Fandoms Dangerous:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OUQTWxsMWw
Toyota Production in Japan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHTDYblWn4E
How to CHOOSE YOUR PERFECT MAIN ROLE (UPDATED) - Apex Legends Guide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X30xgnPVuZI
EVO2015 MOMENT: WHAT ARE YOU STANDING UP FOR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G8oHukH_pE
Asmongold Reacts to the General Forums and Talks About Latin American Brazilian Servers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPD7tiG4Akw
Pokemon's Riskiest Game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yALEg2g_KKY
The Games Everyone Should Play Before They Die:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA4p3wuDLo8
A Retrospective on the Original Mass Effect 3 Endings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwHxHpoXkeQ
Dark Souls After Forever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw2kskZdWLk
Halo Reach: An Existential Dread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ9PX6odDmM
Karrigan's Emotional Interview afte Winning IEM Katowice 2022 over G2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfinSk7GgxY
The Miracle of Pakistani Tekken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2SQgjYmVYY
The Technique that Won EVO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pWJa3XPVtU
Fallout 3 Encounter 10 water bottles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o7FYkZL-ng
The Last of Us Remastered Walkthrough Part 30 - RAGE MODE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irHNoLhyZj4
Diablo Full Gameplay No Commmentart Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdSlIacGuOA
How One Gameplay Decision Changed Diablo Forever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huPF3Gid7DE
Killing a noobie lvl 90 pk on hardcore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJJ6wGarTWA
Theme K-1 Grand Prix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdil3_Q6R6I
BnB 5 GGXRD - Lord Knight (Millia) Vs. Saul Badman (Sol):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gphq0NfSn4
Winter Brawl 3D 2020 | DBFZ Grand Finals: BC | Lord Knight Vs. SR | Sage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uu6Ir4Sm1Y
BBCP 4 12 TSB Grand Finals Set 2 - SKD (RG) Vs Lord Knight (VK):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YATI4FzrQls
Persona 4 Arena Ultimax @ TSB Keeps Itself Alive - FINALS (720p 60fps):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSbWesK0u-w
APEX 2013 P4A W4 9B VS LordKnight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg2l8LIYcMY
WEMAD 2023 - Guilty Gear Strive Top 8:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhRZdKWaPMM
FR16 - P4A - Grand Final - Ivysaur vs Lord Knight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBvClFFSnOE
The Intros of Fighting Games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEswpsVJoFk
APEX 2013 P4A WF LordKnight VS Jourdal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5489tQ-ziE
APEX 2013 P4A GF LordKnight VS Jourdal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L1vbYTxBjw
Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus (PSP Gameplay):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru5LVxaVoe4
The Triumphant Return - Street Fighter IV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIkxKcA6ajs
[DBFZ] Top 16 to Top 8 - Frosty Faustings XII 2020 (Timestamps):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7K92pstjN8
APEX 2013 P4A W4 Jourdal VS DC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUp9s6b_FoM
[2018-06-23] BBTag - PAN (Carmine, Es) vs Jabberwocky (Jin, Es) GF.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CArWGwR2S8Q
APEX 2013 P4A L5 BT MarlinPie VS Colpevole:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU8WUMQM7oM
FR16 - P4A - Losers Final - Kurumster vs Lord Knight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADI2n2E_BeY
EVO 2019 - Top 16 Granblue Fantasy Versus: Monarch (Lancelot) vs Lord Knight (Katalina):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mftvzMfg16g
KiT 15 Persona 4 Arena Ultimax Losers Colpevole vs Lord Knight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A5UUBPTLjg
Holiday Matsuri 2022 - Guilty Gear Strive Beat the Pros ft. LordKnight and Hotashi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PivpJQ8emM
Street Fighter 6 - Open Beta Video 1 Characters & Battle System:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAb26ftIMJw
The REAL Low Tier God, Kubo The Grappler (Frosty Faustings 2023 Grand Finals Highlights):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAb26ftIMJw
BnB 2 GGXRD R2 - Lord Knight (Millia) Vs. KBnova (Bedman) - Guilty Gear XRD Rev 2 Winners Finals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxXrVOC977k
BBCF SKD(Izayoi) Vs.Lordknight(Nine):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkX0PzV5vvk
Final Round XV Guilty Gear Accent Core Grand Finals SteveH vs Kusoru:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skrcaaBev5A
Evo 2015 - P4UA Top 8 Aguro vs Jeo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4M4orChyjQ
April Annihilation 2019 Guilty Gear Xrd Rev2 Top 8:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv9qO61ulTU
Team St1ckbug Team Soda Baking - P4A Ultimax - Mellowhype vs HARD BREAD Yung Alex vs Lord Knight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAYhh-OpdNc
UFGT9 - Lord Knight Vs. UFGT BananKen - P4A Grand Finals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT2E2hV9pFg
BBCP @ Team Stickbug 12 21 - Lord Knight (Valkenhayn) vs SKD (Ragna) - GRAND FINALS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf7jXoWrFzE
BBCSEX @ TSB 8 24 - Grand Finals (f Lord Knight vs TSB Omnisscythe):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLLuEyyg8e4
BBCP Grand Finals @ Winter Brawl 9 - TS Lord Knight (Kokonoe) vs Eshi (Amane) [720p 60fps]:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkkF6AYykdo
APEX 2013 P4A W4 Jourdal VS DC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUp9s6b_FoM
UFGT9 - Kobayashi Vs. Lord Knight - P4A Pools:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVO24n2F4P4
「P4U2」5 Major Mistakes Persona Players Make:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4-BIYrijxE
26 - Shardz vs Lord Knight - SBA P4A Pools:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaCRkw50spw
FR16 - P4A - Top 16 - ZomB vs Lord Knight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKvB4evYghk
Salty Battles #27 - P4A WF - AG MCZ MarlinPie VS LordKnight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrAkmqzxvNk
The Story of Faker The Greatest of All Time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNQC5GyumQ4
The SoloQ God That Never Got His Chance - Apdo Dopa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ0T71sVSzU
Overwatch 2 Is Changing Forever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSnrOGc8ddg
BnB 18 DBFZ - LegendaryyPred Vs. Lord Knight - Dragon Ball FighterZ Losers Finals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF7Fay_VTUY
BBTAG ARCREVO WORLD TOUR Japan (Top 8) Gouda, koujiKog, Ryota, 24bann:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTAOcgFJdEA
【昭和CM・1968年】ナショナルカラーテレビパナカラー「マジックおじさん・クリスマス」:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXYpuYmtjt4
1960年代ナショナル松下電工CM４種:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVtt7W0zlcY
1960年代ナショナル松下電工CM４種:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVtt7W0zlcY
上皇さま上皇后さま ご結婚「朝見の儀」「結婚パレード」:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p79uPmPk7o
東京オリンピック1964 開会式 君が代～選手団入場～天皇陛下開会宣言～聖火入場・点火～選手宣誓～:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIy0c7FV-6k
A day in Tokyo, Japan, in 1963 東京:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTJJC4gfSAU
Rare 1950s Tokyo, Japan, Colour Home Movie Footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j8IU_-5HN8
昭和1４年テレビジョン実験放送 2020年 9月:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmAPfLcdNQ
Donald Richie on Robert Bresson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLmOsZPlTaY
わが映画人生本多猪四郎 監督 HQ 1990:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI2RaQVNTds
FREE FULL EPISODE! Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Will Ospreay! STRONG on Demand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS1aqIEdRYM
NHKの古い時報:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URkqct8xcDw
NHKニュース op 1980～82年:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9273x7mpUU
NHK総合 オープニング 1992年:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsBqO1AtPT0
◆ 君の名は [第一部主題歌] 織井茂子・・・ 音量に注意。:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1xBxuCfXkM
A Day in TOKYO in 1968 昭和東京:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoisGvQrSIo
A day in Tokyo, Japan, in 1963 東京:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTJJC4gfSAU
Seiko 日本初のテレビCM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V9ObYayjzc
正力松太郎:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zjRx2j_kAc
ミツワ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxIOAkWGnoc
力道山からJ鶴田まで～激動!!テレビ・プロレス25年史（1978放送）1 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Vgg20Wupc
街頭のカラーテレビの前に、人だかりが。カラーテレビ放送開始（NHKクリエイティブ・ライブラリーより） #Shorts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQfHsun95_I
Documentary 100 Yen The Japanese Arcade Experience (2012) [ +subs ]:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fmq0B2HhpA
EVO 2013 Persona 4 Arena - Top 8:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V21AFA5JDys
Heaven or Hell 2012 - [TOP 8] Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPEAYh5DQ0
UFGT9 - Lord Knight Vs. Dave O - P4A top 16:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOA62_JLWls
P4U 12 2 2012 NEC XIII Top 8:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV6nAGSmR28
Japan vs USA 5 on 5 (Persona 4 Arena):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCR7TiFFqys
Evo 2015 - P4UA Top 8 Aguro vs Niceburst Tahichi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmUkHobxxew
Evo 2015 - P4UA Grand Final KSB Superboy vs Niceburst Tahichi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgcUJwNcSEg
Winter Brawl 7 - Brkr Dave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NApQCnhAbrM
P4EVO - The Interview For Las Vegas Arena - Mui(Aigis):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXQEGPH_B5c
APEX 2013 - SKD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul04pLX2tOg
P4EVO - The Interview For Las Vegas Arena - DIEchan(Mitsuru):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYykCKPjP0c
Persona 4 Arena Arcade Chie vs Yosuke (Short) 3 3 2012:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xSr2gHFpug
P4U 4 29 Chou Tougeki Qualifiers [3 6]:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrvxUiYA1mo
CEO 2015 - Persona 4 Ultimax - Top 8 - NiceBurst Souji (Teddie) vs TS LordKnight (Margaret):
Script
Normally I would try and add commentary with a script version, but since the length of the script has crashed my browser a few times now, it’s probably better just to link an embed of the script. Not everything survived the editing process, so there’s going to be a lot of stuff there that just isn’t in the final video, but this was the “base” script that I was editing a lot of my footage off.
Since there are two additional guests, I want to clarify that Tom’s audio is in Red, and LK’s audio is in green. There is a full discussion on Patreon here:
Thomas Lamarre full discussion
There is an insane amount of stuff that never got into the final video, simply because the whole structure revolves around a series of loosely connected ideas, so I think if you want to see a lot more of the meat of discussion you should check those out.